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mystery of some cut music

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:21 am
by Leo(T.C.K.)
This was uploaded by a youtube user called WarmOddities91 who claimed to have had it from Unreal beta he found on a russian site. Additionally, a guy called Crash-Headroom has put up in 2016 (I didn't know about it until like few months ago) an album of Unreal Beta tracks, also including this track.
link edit: had to edit this because it turned it into automatic bandcamp link that didn't function

Now what's interesting about this is that after doing some searching around, it turns out he is also the player "Crash" and it looks like he uploaded the beta on some obscure russian forum that is now dead. I don't know if he really speaks russian as well as english, but I don't know much about him, but he could have used a translator too. Still, I did find he has an account on another russian site, not related to the dead forum.

And another thing is that I happen to know that a certain member of this forum handed to him years ago that elusive early 1996 beta of Unreal to be Crash's responsibility of releasing it. Well, it seems he's gone for months now so I am making this thread to make an appeal to the person who shared it originally with him.

Of course that beta couldn't have had umx track but its possible Crash provided a conversion of the track into the umx format which was then ripped by warmoddities. He doesn't have that beta anymore either btw he has made that clear, he only ripped the music and after a while when he got a new machine or something he didn't bother saving the beta itself so it's now lost.

So for the sake of all the beta preservation, please come forward with this. It was already shared and I assume that Crash had this child3 file exactly from that 1996 beta that was shared with him.

But now it looks like only few people on that obscure site have ever downloaded it and for some reason Crash didn't post it anywhere in the Unreal community itself.

EDIT: I also have an answer to his question about the other music obviously....but I couldn't reach him at all. So.....

Re: mystery of some cut music

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:36 pm
by Leo(T.C.K.)
Good news, I managed to reach him now, it seems he's come back.

EDIT: And it's not the same person so this is not the same one I thought that has the 1996 beta and the child3 beta in question was 1997 it seems or so....might be the UNREAL NETWORK BETA.

Re: mystery of some cut music

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:44 am
by Leo(T.C.K.)
If you all think I'm some kind of guillable fool to be messed around with you are about to be proven wrong!

I'm doing detective work here and sometimes I have to correct my conclusions(when I fill in the gaps). However fact remains that whether or not it was a name coincidence with this Crash-Headroom person the other beta thing still happened between that original person and the person I am not naming now that's active on this forum. We know that other beta (originally existed, already way back in 2012 there was talk about recovering it from the old SATA drive, then I had to leave no netherlands and was without a direct internet access for a while. Meanwhile the handout happened so that person who had the beta and recovered it didn't have to have the weight of having the responsibility of releasing it. But now if the Crash person is gone or not around or doesn't plan to release this, then I'd say the responsibility is back at person A.

This is simple logic. But all the facts that have been orginally told in 2012 or before were proven to be correct in the end by historical records recovered over time that weren't yet avail then....

But now the question is whether I'm being played for a fool here and person A is pretending never to have had this beta now.

Again this is not the "child3" version. if that ever actually existed.
EDIT: The time to find out the truth about this is now. Just as I wasn't ready to conclude that the faked beta was either true or false until all the questions were answered.

Re: mystery of some cut music

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:59 pm
by Leo(T.C.K.)
OK. The gist of this is simple. By the time some information arrives at me it's been handed over by like three people and someone just gets it wrong or misinterprets it like I got vague answers that it might have come from some magazine cd even, which seems to be misunderstanding about something called Mag issue 43 or so. Volume even. Well whatever, this is not helping the detective research honestly.

But the answers I got make it even more mysterious. This crash headroom had it with extracted files from 2014, got it around 2016, thought that he got it from certain somebody who only knew about child3 from after 2017, after this original uploader uploaded it and everything's just swirling around the year 2014. I can't make sense of this. It's almost as if time travel's involved in this. Crash=headroom's extracted file is ALL CAPS while the mod archive file is all lowercase that was uploaded sometime in 2003. And it matches the description of warmoddities video. Because it is also all uppercase. Just like crash-headroom's file that he can't remember where he got it from obviously....or thinks wrongly where he got it from. Confusing eh?

EDIT: There's also a track called Unreal3.s3m in his files which seems to be alternate moros dark presense aka cyrene, the file does differ from cyrene.s3m so this is getting even weirder now.

Re: mystery of some cut music

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:58 pm
by Leo(T.C.K.)
Reposting this from somewhere else, important because it shows cut unreal music from 1996:
some misc stuff like unreal music from a demo from november 1996, including never before heard title music. It works on unreal 0.83 too, you can rename it to song1.s3m and it will play.


Imagine this being the flyby music basically.

Also here is a fixed version of the wargate 1996 track by kynikossdragon which fixes the popping errors:
Also here's some misc tracks from alex brandon including child3(which makes it possible it wasnt used in unreal given this has it and was a mistake but we don't know) ... AND/Siren/